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My Prices Are Not Too High: A Farmer Fires Back

Shannon Hayes: Why are my prices higher than those at the supermarket? Glad you asked.

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Every week during the growing season, my husband and I cart our family’s grassfed meats to market. We sell pork chops for $11 a pound; ground beef goes for $7.50.

Every week, we meet someone who tells us the prices are too high.

In fact, at those prices, the average net income for our family members has maxed out at $10 per hour. But part of our job is to hold our chins up and accept weekly admonishment for our inability to produce food as cheaply as it can be found in the grocery store.

Part of our job is to hold our chins up and accept weekly admonishment for our inability to produce food as cheaply as it can be found in the grocery store.

The truth is, food in the grocery store is not cheap. We pay for it in advance with our tax dollars, which support farm subsidies that go to support an ecologically problematic industrialized food system. We pay for it with the lives of our soldiers and with the unfathomable military expenditures that support our national reliance on fossil fuels, upon which the industrial farming model is completely dependent. The prices only look cheap because we are paying for them someplace else: through our taxes, and via the destruction of our soil, water, and natural resources through irresponsible farming practices.

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The viability of a small farm is dependent not just on garnering a living wage, but on our ability to steward our land in a way that allows it to stay healthy and productive into the future. Industrial food production, in contrast, currently depends on farm subsidies—and on a license to deplete soils and pollute water for immediate profit with no regard for what happens tomorrow. This is our nation’s cheap food policy: Make the food in the grocery store as inexpensive as possible, so that we can justify lower working wages for Americans.

With policies like this, we are losing our farmers; we are also poisoning our public with toxic food. Between 1999 and 2006, the CDC estimated that 45% of American adults were suffering from chronic illness. You can’t tell me that has no connection to the food supply.

The prices only look cheap because we are paying for them someplace else: through our taxes, and via the destruction of our soil, water and natural resources through irresponsible farming practices.

Even with chronic illness rampant in our society, our current government oversight policies for food safety favor the production of unhealthy, industrial food. My family farm shoulders a disproportionate burden of expense in order to meet regulations that prove the safety of our products—even though they are more easily traced, and more cleanly produced, than corporate food. This adds to our prices and makes it difficult for many of our fellow farmers to stay in business. Rather than adhering to policies that favor an industrial food supply, we need regulations that level the playing field, enable living wages, and ensure that every citizen can afford the price of real food produced in a way that honors a life-serving economy. 

My family wants to nourish our local community. We want to sell pork chops from real pigs, ground beef from real cattle. We want to conduct our business honestly, and we want to see our fellow Americans compensated fairly for their contributions, so that we can all earn a decent living. We want to see government policies that would help bring to an end our ecologically rapacious, gastronomically toxic food system. We want to go to our weekly market with our heads held high, carrying wholesome food that our neighbors can afford.


Shannon HayesShannon Hayes wrote this article for YES! Magazine, a national, nonprofit media organization that fuses powerful ideas with practical actions. Shannon is the author of Radical Homemakers: Reclaiming Domesticity from a Consumer Culture, The Grassfed Gourmet and The Farmer and the Grill. She is the host of Grassfedcooking.com and RadicalHomemakers.com. Hayes works with her family on Sap Bush Hollow Farm in Upstate New York. 

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Reader Comments

Food Awareness

Posted by Tom Dewell at Jan 30, 2012 07:44 PM
This article hits the nail on the head. Consumers have become either so ignorant or so unconcerned that they no longer know that the price tag on something NEVER tells you the real cost.
At the Yelm Food Co-op (http://yelmfood.coop) we are trying to make this clear to our community.
If they listen, we can turn around poor health, high prices and create a strong community.

Keep talking!

Posted by linda at Jan 31, 2012 02:26 PM
I really appreciated this article. And, Tom your point is spot on. Please checkout foodialogues.com . There are many others who believe we need to do more to tell the real stories about agriculture.

It doesn't matter

Posted by Anonymous at Jan 31, 2012 08:05 PM
Here's the problem with your argument: Yes, for a higher price, a person can get a higher-quality product from a local farm. Certainly. However, that doesn't change the fact that the majority of Americans either don't have access to, or can't afford (or both) food like this. I have been a vegetarian for over 20 years, but our family has fallen on hard times. We simply CANNOT afford to pay those prices if we want to have a roof over our heads. What bothers me about articles like this is that the writer assumes that everyone has the means to just give up "cheap corporate food" and buy meat at upwards of $7.50 or $11 per lb. Do you understand that sometimes there ISN'T a choice??

Yes it does

Posted by Hanna at Feb 01, 2012 06:19 AM
The author isn't arguing that it is a choice for everyone, she is pointing out the intrinsic unfairness and toxicity of our current food system. This essay is about raising awareness and inciting action to change the unfair policies that make 'real food' so expensive, not arguing that everyone can afford 11/lb for meat.

The choice of better food

Posted by Donna OShaughnessy at Feb 01, 2012 08:21 AM
I understand completely your concern over paying $7 for burger compared to the grocery stores much cheaper wares but the bottom line is indeed CHOICE. Even on a very strict budget you can CHOOSE to substitute good food grown by a reputable farmer for just one meal a week. You could also CHOOSE to volunteer your time on the farm in exchange for good meat or produce. When we raised our raw milk price from $4 a gallon to $5 we made it very clear we would work with any family who found that a burden. There are ways to get good food into your family, maybe not for every meal but certainly for some. You could also CHOOSE to grow some of your own good food. A small place on your porch or even your windowill can produce tasty healthy options for your family. The CHOICE is all yours. Enough with the excuses.

Ummm...

Posted by Ciera at Feb 01, 2012 05:44 PM
Remember "pay more for food now and pay less for health care later"...It is cheaper to make from scratch or to grow your own crops than to buy processed crap. You can make your own bread from scratch for cheaper than a loaf at the store. Beans are cheap and are great for you. There are ways of eating RIGHT on a budget is starts with planning your meals in advance.

Is it?

Posted by Alexis at Feb 02, 2012 02:33 PM
My time is also worth money, and there's a limited supply of it. Someone working long hours may not have the time to bake their own bread, soak beans, etc. they may not have the skills or the equipment.

It's really easy for people with money or knowledge (a poor grad student is not the same as someone in an inner city neighborhood, working for just over minimum wage) to lecture others on how they should know better. it's also pretty condescending.

This article tells us why food is cheap; it doesn't help those who gave no choice but to buy "toxic food" from Walmart.

It is

Posted by J at Feb 04, 2012 05:12 AM
Firstly, I think the message is more about the equity of promoting/subsidizing food that has been produced without concern for health/the environment. But sadly, the world we live in is the world we live in, therefore it often does cost more to buy better produce. However, cutting costs by growing stuff, making your own products etc can offset that. Or even just save you money if you don't care about the other stuff.

I've lived on an extremely tight budget and I genuinely believe that availability of knowledge to do these things isn't the issue. It is apathy or the willingness to do something that holds a lot of people back from helping themselves. I was defiantly in that category until I sought to 'skill-up'. The knowledge to grow some stuff, bake bread, make things from less processed ingredients, etc is readily available from the internet, people and public libraries. Plus, for much of it I can say first hand it doesn't require as much time as one might think.

I completely agree that time spent not working is money lost but money saved is money that doesn't need to be earned. Sure, it's definitely a balancing act choosing what is worth doing but there is certainly things worth doing that save money and are ultimately better for you.

...

Posted by Ciera at Feb 05, 2012 10:04 PM
Maybe you work more than I do (I work 40 hours a week) and maybe you really have no time other than to sleep when not at work. That sucks. But I can throw some beans, veggies, and meat in a crock pot and have homemade chili ready when I get home. Or I can grill a chicken breast and sautee some veggies in about 10-15 minutes. If you have time to microwave something you have time to throw together a salad. I'm sorry but I think the time excuse is that an EXCUSE....you can at least try your best..you NEVER have to resort to food from Walmart.

Excuses, excuses

Posted by Shannon at Feb 06, 2012 08:12 AM
Man some great replies about all the excuses to stick with the nationalized program....or Wal-Mart food. Here are a few ideas I will start with the money conversations. Some of my favorite ways to save money include some simple rules:

 1) Know that you know what it is you want, be specific. If you want to start container gardening to grow your own veggies and/or herbs, well, you seem to have a computer with internet connection so put it to good use. There are a number of sites available for "How-To" do these things. Google Container Gardening, Organic Gardening, etc. and learn how these things work.. Then create a budget for how much you can afford to spend. The next time you go shopping, look at the prices retail. If it's way out of your budget, consider garage sales or talking to some friends. I received twelve 5 gallon containers FREE simply by asking my friends and family what they had that they were not using. Find a bread machine at a garage sale or flea market for cheap, I bought mine at one for $7 then downloaded the user guide off the internet, and it works like a charm!

2) Grow my disposable income through savings analysis. Simply put, where am I spending money that I could save it? If I pay for coffee daily at Panera, or Starbucks, shift out of that and start making coffee at home, or if it's available at work drink it there as long as the cost is negligible. If there’s a snack food I purchase, can I live without that to have this? Is it feasible and cost effective to get a part-time job? I think you get the idea.

3) TRY IT! This one is a biggie for me. I’ve found that wholesome foods from rich soils that are predominantly organic take less to give you what you need. When I first started looking into Organic foods and grass fed free range meats and poultry I heard that you ate less when you at these foods. I thought it was bunk, and then I tried it. After a coupe of weeks I started feeling better, then within a month I had actually lost almost 20 lbs. without any additional exercise, my mind was sharper, I had more energy, I slept better. I also noticed I wasn’t getting up 30 minutes after a meal looking for a snack. These foods will in the long run cost less through responsible eating.

Where there’s a will there’s a way, and what there should be is no room for excuses. Money is nothing more than energy that exchanges hands. Through the desire to have more than you have right now, and some creativity and elbow grease, you can get what you need financially to have what you want. Knowledge is abundant, simply access to the internet gives you more knowledge than an entire city of people, it’s greater than 50% of the world population sharing, knowledge, thoughts, ideas, etc. The only thing stopping you, is yourself.



Affordability

Posted by Cynner at Feb 01, 2012 06:56 PM
Maybe the answer is to not expect to eat as much. You know the quality vs quantity rule. Buy 3/4 lb instead of a pound!


affordable and sustainable food

Posted by Judith Brink at Feb 04, 2012 08:42 AM
Cooperatives often give discounts to owner workers. That's a primary reason I joined our local coop. The discount in addition to not eating more than I need to remain healthy and happy allows me to feed myself local organic food as cheaply as I could using a corporately owned food market to buy non-local non-organic food.

What are you spending?

Posted by Rachel at Feb 06, 2012 11:22 AM
I agree that sometimes it's hard to pay for better quality food because it's more expensive, but you have to look at what else you are spending your money on. Are you going to Starbucks once or twice a day? How often are you eating out? Do you buy new clothes a lot? Do you buy something whenever you see it on a shelf? You can choose to either pay for good quality food or pay for things you don't need. It's a choice. I personally would rather buy better quality, higher priced food than spend my money buying clothes or things. I see so many people who complain they don't have any money, yet they are willing to spend hundreds on a new phone or new shoes. It's all about choice. Choose food! It will save your health later on.

There is always a choice

Posted by DSquared at Feb 09, 2012 09:30 PM
There is always a choice. Yes, always. I don't really use the words "always" and "never" but in this case I believe there is always a choice. Unless you are one of the very few actually starving Americans, I just don't believe that you can't spend the same money you are spending on "cheap" food on good food. It might be less in quantity but it will be greater in quality. And grow a few things. I live in a place where there are 2 feet of snow on the ground and I still have things growing that I can eat. Indoor pots, cold frames, etc. And please don't tell me you don't have time. I work three jobs to make ends meet and I still make time. We make time for what is important to us.

The other choice is supporting subsidized, corporate food which leads to fat, unhealthy people with diabetes.

There is always a choice.

It doesn't matter

Posted by Anonymous Smith at Jan 31, 2012 08:08 PM
Here's the problem with your argument: Yes, for a higher price, a person can get a higher-quality product from a local farm. Certainly. However, that doesn't change the fact that the majority of Americans either don't have access to, or can't afford (or both) food like this. I have been a vegetarian for over 20 years, but our family has fallen on hard times. (And no, I'm not filling my shopping cart with Doritos or Ho-Hos, nor are any of us, obese, stupid or lazy, as many in the food world seem to believe when a person cannot afford certain foods). We simply CANNOT afford to pay those prices if we want to have a roof over our heads. What bothers me about articles like this is that the writer assumes that everyone has the means to just give up "cheap corporate food" and buy meat at upwards of $7.50 or $11 per lb. Do you understand that sometimes there ISN'T a choice??

It's all in the attitude...

Posted by C. Aoyagi at Feb 06, 2012 05:27 PM
There is always a choice- You have a responsibility to yourself and your actions- no one else. If you watch TV, if you have internet, if you pay for an outrageous cell bill, if you buy coffee, if you drive, you have a choice. Hell, there is no excuse you can give that will justify saying there "isn't a choice." I know incredibly "poor" people who live rich lives just using their heads and not depending on "safety nets" and other people to pay for their habits. If you don't have enough money to buy good food for your family or you'll loose your house... sell it, downsize, get rid of the car, the ipod, etc. Move to where you can afford your life, get some friends, trade for food at the farmer's market (you can trade services, other goods you don't need, etc). The idea that there is some pie that needs to be shared among everyone is incredibly narrowminded. Make your own pie. And quite whining and reposting, especially as "anonymous smith"...

Right priced

Posted by Leah at Feb 01, 2012 04:53 AM
Today the average American spends 9.8% of their income on food. 40 years ago we spent 13.9%. Of course- our wages have stagnated and the cost of living has become more expensive. But the fact remains that we have moved away from paying the real cost of food. If small local farmers were supported by our government, rather then ConAgra, we would see a leveling of the playing (and pricing) field. There are many ways to make eating real food fit into your lifestyle and budget. I certainly don't have a large food budget, but I eat very very well.- Leah, onlearningtolivewell.tv

Cheap food is not a good thing.

Posted by Tara at Feb 01, 2012 06:13 AM
I will go with holes in my shoes to purchase whole foods off of small organic farms for my family!

Pay now or pay later

Posted by Lisa H at Feb 01, 2012 06:46 AM
I wanted to respond to the post by Anonymous. Really, you can't afford to provide healthy, organic vegetarian meals for your family? How can you afford the alternative? It is all about setting priorities. If we want healthy bodies, then we need to feed them with healthy food. Continuing to eat industrial food is like choosing to smoke cigarettes - you know it's not good for you, so you are making a choice to do something that is unhealthy. The consequences may not be seen for years, but they are inevitable. I would encourage you to re-examine your budget, and make it a priority for yourself & your family.

Really??!

Posted by Anonymous at Feb 01, 2012 04:33 PM
Your comment reeks of elitism and snobbishness, to say nothing of utter foolishness. Do you not understand the concept of "not enough money?" Do you understand what it's like to feed an entire family on a budget of $40 a week?? Do you understand that on my husband's salary as a teacher, we can barely pay our mortgage? Do you honestly believe that everyone can just magically afford to be these things? Why don't you go down to Compton or South Phoenix or South Boston and tell people to "just figure it out?" Pull your head out of the sand and visit the real world sometime.

I hear ya.

Posted by The Poorganic Life at Feb 06, 2012 02:11 PM
I just wanted to say that I appreciate your struggle. I'm also a teacher's wife. His salary was frozen three years ago. I was a teacher, but now I stay home with our three small kids. For the last six months, we've been eating, what I call, "poorganically." I bend the rules to our budget while still eating as "real" as possible. We work hard to make good choices without moralizing them or wallowing in guilt over our compromises. I agree that there is no "magically affording" these things. I try to educate myself by reading articles like this without feeling overwhelmed. Then I tell my side of the story at The Poorganic Life. :)

One more thing

Posted by Anonymous at Feb 01, 2012 04:37 PM
One more thing, before you make the standard argument: No one in my family is obese or overweight, both my husband and I are college-educated, and neither of us have ever lived in a trailer park. To insinuate that I don't care about my family because I can't afford organic food is the height of elitism.

Interesting...

Posted by A Sustainable Farmer at Feb 03, 2012 04:46 PM
I'll wager that you have high speed internet and/or a smart phone.

obnoxious at best

Posted by Laura at Feb 04, 2012 04:11 PM
Wow, that's obnoxious of you to want to assume - I'd wager they might not and certainly some folks in their position might not. You're really so sure that person would come here to talk about having $40/wk to feed a family that you'd risk the insensitive insult you're sending their way if you're wrong? How about empathizing with her frustration at not being able to provide as well as she'd like for her family, and maybe add some useful suggestions, if you have any?

it can be done

Posted by Marcy at Feb 05, 2012 09:22 PM
I'm living on a $40 per week grocery budget too. What we do is buy a side of beef. This brings the price way down because you cut out the middle man. I watch for sales on organic milk which freezes just fine. We use coupons and shop entirely around sales. There is more planning involved. I think that it is worthwhile though.

I weigh what is most important to have organic. Because of hormones going directly to children in the milk, I prioritize getting this organic. Things like bananas and oranges are not as important to get organic because they have thick peels.

We do not have perfect diets. We do try to be healthy. It is a lifestyle choice.

This Author is completely out of touch with consumers

Posted by Breanna at Feb 01, 2012 09:34 AM
I personally was raised on an organic farm in North Dakota. I have found it ridiculous when farmers think it is ok to charge consumers ridiculous prices such as $11 a lb for pork chops?! Fair pricing would be to have consumers buy a half or whole pig and pay $4 a lb plus the processing fees. This way you get all the different cuts and spread the cost of the cuts all across the entire pig.
To make farming out to an hourly wage is also ridiculous. Yes farming is a business but it is also a vocation. My parents are more than able to make a very good living on the prices that they sell their meat for ($3-4 a lb range). This author sounds like she is just in it for the money and that is not going to get her very far! I'm so thankful I live in a state where I have access to fresh meat and produce that are FAIRLY priced!

The difference

Posted by Adam Colvin at Feb 01, 2012 10:55 AM
The difference between your family's farm (as well as most rural farms in the US) and the farm in this article are that they are going through all of the regulations and inspections imposed by the government, USDA, FDA, local, and more than likely the USDA organic program so that they can retail their products directly to consumers.

In my experience as a farmer, I know what my food costs to raise, the price I need to make for profit/a living wage, and I know when you run through the government regulations it does add most of the price--it takes not only expense to get inspected, but lots of time to jump through all of the hoops. Some farmers try to evade rules, or use loopholes in the tangled mess of local, state and federal government regulations--especially startup farmers who are trying to cover huge expenses like land, labor, and their own living, but this doesn't normally work as one or other of the governments will shut you down.

What this article says is that she wants to see "the playing field leveled" for small producers by removing the burden of regulations that balloon our cost/prices, and removing the tax credits/grants/subsidies that unfairly lower the price of huge agribusinesses.

I agree.

Agree!

Posted by Brigitte at Feb 01, 2012 06:24 PM
Agree!

Who's out of touch?

Posted by Cindy N. at Feb 01, 2012 09:57 PM
Are your parents able to pay for health insurance, fund their retirement and pay for your college education on their $3-4/lb pork? If so, they should be lecturing around the country to other farmers on how they do it! I know I'd listen!

My guess is they have off-farm jobs and raisng livestock is not their primary occupation.

Yes, my parents are able to pay their bills!

Posted by Breanna Clemons at Feb 02, 2012 10:29 AM
Neither one of my parents have off the farm jobs. They believe in diversity on their farm. They raise registed Black Angus cows and organic alfalfa, flax, and wheat along with a few other crops for rotation. My stepdad pays for his own health insurance that has a $5,000 deductible while my mom is a veteran and gets all of her insurance through the VA. They both have retirement accounts and everything on the farm is completely paid for. They do NOT receive any government handouts at all. All of their beef is reserved and paid for ahead of butchering time. They can not keep up with the demand. They ship organic alfalfa as far away as Pennsylvania to the Amish. Maybe someone should write an article about farmers who use common sense and stewardship of the land to raise healthy, affordable food?!

Brilliant!

Posted by Cindy N. at Feb 02, 2012 11:37 AM
As I said in my first post, if your parents are able to make a decent income, pay for health insurance, fund their savings, and retirement accounts, with farming as the sole source of income that is fantastic. It is also not the experience of most farmers. Maybe they should call the woman that wrote the article and offer to teach her how to raise $4/lb. pork because she obviously doesn't know what she's doing!

Yes, my parents are able to pay their bills!

Posted by Breanna at Feb 02, 2012 10:30 AM
Neither one of my parents have off the farm jobs. They believe in diversity on their farm. They raise registed Black Angus cows and organic alfalfa, flax, and wheat along with a few other crops for rotation. My stepdad pays for his own health insurance that has a $5,000 deductible while my mom is a veteran and gets all of her insurance through the VA. They both have retirement accounts and everything on the farm is completely paid for. They do NOT receive any government handouts at all. All of their beef is reserved and paid for ahead of butchering time. They can not keep up with the demand. They ship organic alfalfa as far away as Pennsylvania to the Amish. Maybe someone should write an article about farmers who use common sense and stewardship of the land to raise healthy, affordable food?!

North Dakota Farming

Posted by Cindy N. at Feb 02, 2012 11:57 AM
If this is you in the article, it's clear they do things different in North Dakota!

Got breast milk? Bismarck woman trying to sell hers online

http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/309419/

buying from the farmers

Posted by Tamara Smith at Feb 05, 2012 12:50 PM
I think Breanna has a very good point. I'd be happy to purchase a half of a pig and be set for a while with my own cuts and lard in the freezer. Strangely I can't even find a farmer here in Southern CA who would sell me a whole chicken (with feet and giblets). I always wondered what our local farmers do with chicken feet...I hope it's not a waste because they really make the soup taste so much better! :)

Budgets

Posted by Anonymous at Feb 01, 2012 04:29 PM
Once again, the snobbishness and elitism of the "real food" world rears its ugly head. Making statements that insinuate that I do not care about my family are laughable and incredibly sad. We do the best we can, but if the money is not there, then the money is not there. Can the people who comment on this board grasp that concept? I care deeply about my family's health, but I also care about paying our mortgage. My current budget is approximately $40 to $50 for my family. Obviously, buying anything that costs $11 a pound is completely out, as is buying most "organic" or "natural" food. (By the way, both my husband and I are college-educated, have never lived in a trailer park, are not obese or diabetic, and don't fill our shopping carts with Doritos or doughnuts, so the typical arguments won't hold water.)

FOOD

Posted by Ciera at Feb 01, 2012 05:53 PM
Wow that's really unfortunate for you that you only have $40 a week for your family. Right now it's just me and my husband and we spend close to $200 a week on food to make breakfast and dinner every day. So I can't imagine trying to make it work on $40 that doesn't sound like enough to live off of nonorganic food either. May I ask how you eat all week on $40? I would suggest growing your own veggies. Also, as I mentioned before a lot of things are cheaper from scratch. Flour costs close to nothing. Beans and potatoes are filling and very inexpensive. and if you invest in an entire cow and pig for the year than you are actually saving money in the long run. Good luck to you.

Its funny

Posted by c at Feb 08, 2012 07:25 PM
People dont stop and think about situations other people are living in. I spend a larger amount of my income buying organic and local foods, but its real hard. People give suggestions like buy a whole pig or half a cow.... grow a garden. Give up your car...

Seriously.. most people unless they live in a big city cant give up their car. This isnt Europe with public transportation everywhere.

Personally I live in a third story apt, with no balcony (and no for various reasons I cant move). I cant grow my own food. I cant do a public garden cite either as they arent organic, and I work nights so tending for a garden just isnt feasible (as much as I would REALLY love one.) I have a tiny little top freezer, so buying meat in too much bulk is out of the question. I dont have a fancy cell phone. I have a simple one, and no land line because its CHEAPER to have the cell then a landline, so dont be telling me to get rid of that.


My CSA went up quite a bit this year and its a lot for me. Since most of his customers seem to be dentists and well off richer people this isnt affecting them, but it does me. I am probably not going to be able to buy into it this year. Am I going to blame his for his costs going up? No. But I cant buy it now.

These are very good ideas and should be out there, but there is too much condemnation from those who cant get a grasp on how others may have to live, and that sometimes we arent in the position to do things you may think are peachy keen awesome. they may be peachy keen awesome but they arent going to do me too much good.

Response to Anonymous

Posted by Brigitte at Feb 01, 2012 06:22 PM
I understand where you are coming from , been there (but we had 25$/week, 10 years ago). This is why I posted my previous comment , people can't always afford these prices. But from a farmer's perspective, obviously we could never make ends meet at 0.99$/lb either. It's true that there is some elitism, I find this particularly true in the born-again return to the earth farmers. There is a reason that family farms are closing up shop, today's market is not focused on quality, it's the biggest dollar that wins out. The future of family farms is to find those people that would purchase organic produce from the grocery anyway, and redirecting their purchases to local produce and sustaining their local farming communities.
Hubby and I and baby used to eat very well with our 25$/week, as I am sure you do to. I am certain that you follow sales and bake and make most of your meals from scratch making them extra nutritious, organic or not.

Seriously?

Posted by C. Schifferle at Feb 06, 2012 05:41 PM
Elitist? You whine too much. Where do you live? I live in California, where food and rent is quite pricey.. I live in an apartment and I have a window garden. $40/week for food is amazing. I feed my family of 4 for less than that, and I eat meat! And it's from the farmer's market, and it's $7/lb. If you've ever been to a farmers' market and eat locally and seasonally, you'd know there is nothing "elitist" about it! I can get a large bag of spinach for a dollar in the winter, and tomatoes galore in the summer cheap. If you're a vegetarian, and can live healthily on milk and eggs for your good fats and nutrition, you're even more likely better off than me. Think outside your own small little world. We don't even have regular jobs, even though my husband has a PhD in Engineering and I have my B.S. in Engineering!
Quite the self-justifying bitching. If you're unhappy where you are, fix it... and quite trolling for people to tell you "oh poor you"

And, if you're going to continue bitching, quite going by anonymous-

Right price? yes and no

Posted by Brigitte at Feb 01, 2012 06:11 PM
I too raise grass fed beef, lamb, pork and so on. We are up North where we can only depend on pasture for 4 months at most. Cost of raising quality meats for our small family farm is high, but raising grass and quality hay fed keeps cost down however.Lb per lb I would rather spend more money on quality hay than on grain that is not good for my livestock anyway. That said I can't imagine how people can afford those prices. I sell my hamburger for 4$/lb and it's still more expensive than the groceries and hard for some to afford (1$ more per lb than other farmers around). At that price, granted I am not making a fortune, but I am making money. I sell my whole lamb for 10$/lb since lamb is about 8$/lb at the groceries, and I make money that way. I think that raising livestock as a main income for a farm is not a very viable option because of groceries making meat cheaper and accessible to the masses. Around here most farmers diversify raising perhaps some livestock, market gardening, cash cropping, provide services... (oh and all have a day job too!). A lot of small farms are turning to CSA share offering, even for meat. Farming the small family farm way is a passion, a labour of love and if you find a niche market(because at those prices that's really what your focused on) than that's great, but getting upset because folks don't understand the costs related to good farming practices is counterproductive. Not all people are educated sufficiently to understand what good food is which explains all the crappola that the groceries sell in the first place. It's slowly changing, the education has to be done in a positive and understanding way.

Why all the vitrol?

Posted by Kate B at Feb 01, 2012 07:02 PM
I totally agree with this article. I may not be able to afford meat quite that high but I can and do afford to buy directly from producers. I think there are some great points about the cost of food here. The reason many of us can't afford the food has little to do with the producer. It is that a portion of our "food" dollars we spend without ever seeing them in the form of subsidizing corporate farms and big oil. The government tips the scale in favor of processed food.

Vitrol= vitriol

Posted by Kate B at Feb 01, 2012 07:08 PM
Typo..sorry..not trying to invent new words. :)

Quality of Food

Posted by Mary Mertz at Feb 01, 2012 08:27 PM
This article made me very sad…then upset. I am married to a fourth generation farmer in Kansas. His family has farmed over 3,000 acres for 100 years. You can not farm land that long without being exceptionally good stewards of this land. Our crops are not toxic. As a matter of fact, my family is healthy and happy without being on a solely organic diet. I buy at the local farmer’s market when I can. I also shop in my local grocery store. The crops we grow have to meet government restrictions to assure that our food production is safe. The problem with our society – and we actually might agree on this together – is that people tend to choose to eat high-calorie, non-nutritional meals, while leading inactive livestyles. Large traditional and small organic farms have a lot in common. We are both interested in producing food to sustain the needs of a growing population. We might be coming at it from two different directions, but our hearts are motivated by the same need to sacrifice our lives to produce food for our country that otherwise would be outrageously supplied by other nations.

Family Farm

Posted by Cindy N at Feb 01, 2012 10:09 PM
Wow! 3000 acres! That is not a small farm and you likely produce corn and beans on that acreage...that's not human food, it's animal food. As far as healthy, what % of your total farm sales went to pay for chemicals last year? Are those chemicals still entirely on your land where you applied them or did they end of in the ground and surface water? Guess what? You just passed part of your 'business expense' onto the rest of us by contaminating other peoples' water supply. Get it? If you had to mitigate the chemical mess that is modern farming you couldn't afford to farm.

Don't get discouraged

Posted by Amanda Hagarty at Feb 02, 2012 03:36 PM
There will always be people like that...and its not just you farmers who have to put up with it. I had a holiday kiosk selling calendars and after xmas everything gets discounted...even at 4$ per calendar we still had a few price snobs turn up their noses and loudly state they could get better at the dollar store. I just feel sorry for people like that because I know that they obviously are very miserable people. You just smile and nod and wish them well finding the calendar they are looking for.
We get .16 cents for every dollar we make in calendar sales and out of that we still have to pay our staff. But in the end there is just enough left for us to feel its worth it. People just don't stop and think sometimes--"hey these people are doing this for a living, to pay bills and put food on their table" instead they just think "hey these people must be trying to rip me off because I can get something like it cheaper somewhere else." They don't have a clue how disrespectful they are being because they are only thinking about themselves and their own problems.

food prices

Posted by Bets at Feb 02, 2012 07:53 PM
So much depends on the region of the country. What do you have to pay for first before you can buy food. How expensive is that: rent, mortgage, insurance, heat?

re: food prices

Posted by TX Farm Girl at Feb 03, 2012 05:54 PM
That's exactly what I've been thinking about reading these comments. The wide price disparities people are reporting here are likely due to the fact that everyone is operating in different regions with very different markets. The same $10 bill doesn't spend the same everywhere - some places it will buy you quite a bit more, other places quite a bit less. Let's please try to keep that in mind. And the point of the article is spot on as well - those of us trying to make a go of farming on a small scale have to come up with the same level of licensing, certification, inspection and infrastructure as the big boys, and we don't get to take advantage of bulk discounts for things like supplies, packaging, feed, etc. All those things get reflected in the final price tag. No one expects someone to spend $11/lb for meat if they can't afford that. The goal here is to make people understand that these prices aren't just arbitrary - they're based on real costs to the farmer.

My Prices Are not Too High

Posted by Jess at Feb 03, 2012 09:13 PM
Yes, but how?
As a ceramic artist, I too, sometimes get gasps and admonishments regarding my prices. I just can't compete price wise with stuff you get at Target, which is mass produced, even if it looks great. Yet I also find myself on the other side of the equation (maybe because my art sales don't provide a living wage?. I believe that we can shift how we spend much of our money by taking in the holistic-big picture and getting clear on what we *truly* value, and all the hidden costs of cheap/mass produced goods, and shuffle expenses around, but at the end of the day, on my limited budget, I don't have $16 to spend on 2 weeks worth of grass fed butter. I really would love to figure how how to live in alignment with my values more; I'm ok with living with "less", but I need to at least have enough. Any suggestions are welcome.

Real cost of food

Posted by Joann S Grohman at Feb 04, 2012 08:53 AM
Shannon explained with great clarity the established truth that supermarket food prices are artificially low because a)producers recieve a network of subsidies and b)are able to externalize their ravages. We pay all these these hidden food costs with our taxes, just not at the checkout counter. Small farmers get none of these breaks so must sell at a level to cover costs and generate profit. To then suggest that farmers should charge less so that everybody can afford local food because farming is a "calling" really shakes my branches. This reminds me of the complaints that teachers and nurses hear when they strike for more pay: "But we thought you loved tending the sick/teaching our children." As for the elitism charge, I invite anybody who harbors this sentiment to drop by and help me shovel out the barn while they try to get past feeling adversarial. The enemies of affordable local food are not tending stands at farmer's markets. They are way downtown.

Need fresh food, why not help?

Posted by lime green at Feb 05, 2012 02:30 PM
To Anonymous and others who are wanting or needing good food but are not farmers, the discussion is akin to arguing about how to ride a bike with someone who can, when you can't. Very silly.

But an interesting thing happened on a small farm in Montana run by some ambitious, passionate and talented young farmers. They were desperately in need of help (new baby, short hectic season, trying to do it all themselves, etc.) so they put an ad in the paper offering a $10.00/hour wage plus free, organic food for help on their veggie and small grain farm. NOBODY CALLED, not one call! Now imagine yourself knocking on my door and saying, "I want to help you farm in return for food. I will work for free until you think I am working at a level worthy of the $10.00/hour and bountiful food that you will give me. Then you can pay me and I will accept your food." I, personally, would think that you had suddenly dropped directly out of heaven onto my farm's doorstep! You mean to tell me that you would actually clean a chicken house? Hoe beans in the heat? Crawl on your knees and pick the weeds out 300 lineal feet of carrot beds? Bend over and stand up 500 times in a day for your vegetables? I would send you home with heaps! If you truly need and want good, fresh food, just go and find a generous farmer. My guess is that he/she could really use your help. Be worthy of it.

 

WOW

Posted by c at Feb 08, 2012 07:31 PM
If this could be found closer (in drivable range) to me in NH my daughter would do it!

my prices are not to high!

Posted by Kim Sytsma at Feb 06, 2012 10:14 AM
My husband and I were just evaluating our prices we charge for our local beef program. Our daughter in New Jersey shops at the local Pathmart, (not an upscale store, but, not Walmart prices either) the Hamburger there is $7.00lb. The price of cattle are not the rise, the price of land is on the rise and the cost of living is on the rise. With cattle prices climbing, why would a farmer sell their beef for less then commodity beef. It costs more for a farmer to have one animal processed then it does for the assembly line beef that is commodity beef. Don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong with commodity beef. But, idea of farmer's markets and the local movement is sustainability. Both for the environment and the farmer. At $10.00 a an hour (I think your est. maybe high when you take in all your hours and costs) that isn't a every high wage when you consider the investment. (min. wage in Ont isn't far below the $10 mark) the cost of cattle has gone up 20% since fall why wouldn't the cost of farmer's market sales follow suit. It has to or a farmer would be better off to load the cattle on a truck and wait for the cheque in the mail. Lot less work then hauling meat to a farmer's market every week. As a small farmer, if I want to stay in business I must charge more for my Wholesome, healthy safe beef products. (Bythe way, I don't think you charge enough!)

Truth!

Posted by Amanda at Feb 06, 2012 11:30 AM
Food is what we FUEL our bodies with. If we're putting cheap, toxic junk in it how do you think we will feel? If the plants, meat are grown with love and concern for the environment and for those who will eat them, how do you think we will feel?

IF we tried to run our cars on cheap, toxic junk, how long do you think they would last...

Get the government out of agriculture and food period!

Posted by Al at Feb 06, 2012 02:02 PM
No more government regulations! Get them out! It is government that has created this mess and we're fools to think government will offer any solutions. Private property and free trade are the answers. The government harassing Amish producers because their milk isn't pasteurized or they don't want to microchip their cattle and also people's free choice to consume what they see fit. The FDA is run by Monsanto. Obama appointed appointed Monsanto super lobbyist Michael Taylor as FDA Food Safety Czar. There are many more.. http://redgreenandblue.org/[…]/

You are responsible for the choices you make. Please don't advocate putting more power into the governments hands.

Get the government out of agriculture and food period!

Posted by LKS at Feb 11, 2012 06:09 PM
No thanks on that. read animal farm and get back us. there is a reason for regulations. its called food safety. and while i would love to think the ur uhm honor system works, we had many many years proving that it did not. people died. and are still dying because of lack of regulations when it comes to our food. the problem is not the government. we my friend ARE the government. what i would like to see is the government do what it says it will do and without prejudice. maybe if those agri guys spent less time looking at the color of the farmers skin, they could get the work done to keep our food safe and give all farmers the tools and resources they need to flourish.

locally grown foods

Posted by Farmer's wife at Feb 07, 2012 12:40 PM
We are farmers, by choice. And yes, it is a vocation. We are certainly not doing it to get rich. We are full time farmers. Our income, 100% of it is derived from our farm. We farm a small acreage. We own 40 acres total, and rent 300. Both of our sons went to college, paid for it themselves, got degrees, and came back to work on the farm. In doing so, they realized that they were giving up substantial amounts of money. We love what we do. We cherish the soil, nurture it, and want to see it continuing to grow food for generations to come.
We choose to farm, and how you spend your dollars is also your choice. It is a matter of prioritizing your life. We do not buy expensive new tractors, or any new expensive equipment. We make do and are very creative in using what we have. Farming is a business like any other. It is a matter of profit and loss. We know what it costs us to grow the food we plant, and we also know what we need to charge to make a profit. The input costs for a small farm are much higher than the input costs for corporate farms.

locally grown foods

Posted by Farmer's wife at Feb 07, 2012 12:49 PM
To finish my thoughts:
It is not our responsibility to provide you with cheap food. It is our responsibility to provide you with the best food we can grow, at the best prices possible. Whether you choose to buy it or not, is up to you. How you choose to spend your money, is up to you. How you prioritize your budget, is up to you. Just let us do what we do best: to grow top quality food responsibly and at affordable prices so you can buy it, and we can make a living.
When did farmers become so maligned? We are not whinning to you about the wages we earn. We chose to farm, and with that choice came consequences we readily accepted. Thank you for letting me vent. We are A PROUD SMALL FAMILY FARM, AND HOPE TO REMAIN SO FOR GENERATIONS TO COME. Let us not give our food production up to China. SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL GROWERS, SHOP AT YOUR LOCAL FARMERS MARKETS!!!!

yes and no

Posted by C at Feb 08, 2012 07:40 PM
I dont think people who are educated about food want "cheap" food, but there has to be a middleground. I personally will pay a few dollars a pound above what I would pay for in a grocery store. I try and buy local. But there comes a point where choices have to made. And if the gap gets TOO great you wont be able to convert people over unless they are rich and it doesnt matter. But being Haughty about it doesnt help the situation on either side.

Again I think part of it is regional differences too, as far as prices, wages, and living expenses.

We all are raising a safe food supply....

Posted by Rachel Fishback at Feb 09, 2012 10:31 PM
I am a conventional farmer in Southeast Iowa. My husband and I farm and have a healthy family with four children. Farmers have made huge strides in technology, from seed to machinery. We are all producing a safe food supply, organic OR conventional. We ALL care for our land. I'm the seventh generation to farm my family ground. All Americans deserve the right to purchase what they want, from vehicles, to clothing, to types of homes....INCLUDING food. We welcome your farming practices, please be respectful of our safe practices as well.

Elitism and/or spiritual capitalism?

Posted by Fubar at Feb 12, 2012 12:23 AM
Yes, the natural/organic food movement has an elitist element, as does almost everything else. It also has corruption and big scams. One organic dairy brand wanted to go national after it was bought by an OIL company! They screwed over many organic dairy farmers while supporting a bunch of extortion artists in environmental groups.

Oddly, many people in the organic movement are not happy that "big business" is getting into organic food and trying to make it available to the masses. However, I checked out some of the organic food that WalMart sells here in northern california, and it is not cheaper than the organic food in my neighborhood grocery chain! (Which has to compete with a Whole Foods Market, the ultimate snob zone.)

Europe might be a good model to look at, they have a hybrid system of local farming and neighborhood open air type markets full of mostly local products. The government subsidizes quality foods that sustain the culture.

Part of the problem of industrializing agriculture in the USA is that food is then seen as a export "weapon" to be used to manipulate other countries. This is one of the reasons that the oil industry and defense industry support industrialized agriculture.

Al aspects of life in the USA, including agriculture, face a choice: continue to support Imperialism, or go back to Freedom and an independent/populist ethos that allows for a sustainable economy.

As painful as it is for liberals/progressive to admit, their social engineering programs caused the destruction of small/family farming culture (near big cities) as much as the Oil/Chemical/Bank/Defense plutocracy.

It is time for everyone to admit the entire range of problems, and come up with holistic solutions that meet everyone's needs, including poor people.

Farmers' Prices

Posted by Sharene at Feb 13, 2012 12:31 PM
The bottom line is what I can get for my dollar. I agree that farmer's product is healthier, yet when you have limited income, the dollar has to stretch. So if I can get 2 #'s of something for the price of 1 #, I have to do it.

food

Posted by Gary Warner at Feb 26, 2012 12:50 PM
The two pounds that you get for the price of one will not be as good of a product, IE- not the same "Cackle Bird" yuck yuck yuck.

farmer's prices

Posted by Sharene at Feb 26, 2012 01:04 PM
Gary, I so very much agree. That was my point, I can't afford healthy and better tasting at the Market. I have to go with what my pocket book allows. I grow my own herbs during my summer months and dry what I can. I live in the cold Eastern snowy part of the country, but I can't raise my own meat. Sad situation when the healthy stuff is out of reach for the average to low wage earners!

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