Sections
Home » YES! Blogs » Shannon Hayes » Saying Goodbye: What Do We Teach Kids about Death?

Saying Goodbye: What Do We Teach Kids about Death?

Shannon Hayes: When we shelter ourselves from the realities of death, what else might we be sacrificing?

The author of Radical Homemakers: Reclaiming Domesticity from a Consumer Culture, Shannon Hayes lives and works with her family on Sap Bush Hollow Farm in upstate New York. Click here for more from her blog on life as a radical homemaker.


Hands Young & Old, photo by Emmanuel Avetta

Photo by Emmanuel Avetta.

My grandfather is dying. He is 92, and just before Christmas he came down with pneumonia. His health and awareness have been in steady decline since then, and his doctors have begun preparing us for the end. Uncle Tommy and Aunt Kimmie, who moved in with him a few years ago, have been overseeing his care. They are now assisted by one day nurse, my Aunt Katie, and my dad, who take shifts to make sure Tommy and Kimmie can rest, and to guarantee that Grandpa can stay in his home.

I called my dad two nights ago to ask if I could join him on his shift for Sunday morning. He agreed, warning me that in the last few days, Grandpa had stopped conversing. I asked if he minded if I brought the girls.

Coping with death was an on-farm necessity. But much of our family still preferred to keep it a safe distance from life.

“I don’t know. Maybe we can talk about it later.” With that, the conversation ended.

That was his code for telling me that I had to make the decision.

I thought back over my own experiences with death as a child. My brother and I cared for pets who were making their passages; attempted to save baby birds who’d fallen out of their nests; carried hypothermic lambs into the kitchen on cold winter nights, and worked to resuscitate them until they died in our arms; removed dead chickens from the coop. Coping with death was an on-farm necessity. But much of our family still preferred to keep it a safe distance from life.

I learned this when I was eleven years old, and we faced the loss of my aunt by marriage on my mother’s side, Aunt Judy, whom I adored. In her mid-thirties, after giving birth to twins—her third and fourth children—she was diagnosed with breast cancer. She didn’t have much of an opportunity to fight it, and while the twins were still in diapers, we made trips to the hospital that became her final home.

Kristy Leissle family photo
Returning Grandpa's Love

A family economy that doesn't outsource care—at either end of life.

Well, actually, my mom and dad made trips to the hospital. My brother and I made trips to the waiting room, where we were sheltered from the realities of her illness. My last real memory of Aunt Judy was sitting with her on the couch, maybe one year before her death, holding one of my baby cousins, just after her chemotherapy had begun. I wasn’t in her presence again until she was in a coffin. I didn’t know to say goodbye when I saw her that last time, and I remember feeling deeply confused at her funeral—like I was an interloper among mourners. Somehow, even though I cared about her, this loss wasn’t mine to share. I didn’t dare shed a tear as I watched her coffin lowered into her grave. I didn’t feel entitled.

I thought about all this yesterday morning, as I tried to decide whether to bring my daughters Saoirse and Ula along with me to visit Great Pop Pop (their name for him). Reflexively, conditioned by my own childhood, I assumed it was expected that I’d leave them home with my husband Bob.

But since my daughters were born, I have never visited my grandfather without them. His bright Irish eyes have always lit up upon seeing them, and they adore him. He kept toys in the kitchen for them to play with, and they would sprawl out by his feet while we had tea and talked about my writing, politics, books we’d been reading, the economy, family. Aunt Kimmie would often have cupcakes ready for them, and a craft they could do at the kitchen table. When we left, Saoirse and Ula would scramble up his lap to give him kisses and hugs, and Saoirse would whisper to me as we went out the door, “I really like Great Pop Pop. I think he’s magical.”

Shannon Hayes with her daughter, UlaCan Money Buy Education? 

Shannon Hayes taught her daughter that their family doesn't buy things they can make or grow at home. She then had to wonder: Does that include higher education?

I considered the grown-ups from my own childhood, who had prevented me from seeing my dying Aunt. Why would they have done that? I suspect they wanted me to remember her healthy. Maybe they didn’t want me to be frightened.

These were legitimate reasons. But I don’t think they were effective. I remember only a glimpse of a bed sheet as I was ushered past her hospital room, and my experience of deep fear about death—which, at the time, I could only conclude was so horrid, I was not even allowed to witness its aura, or to say goodbye.

There is so much about my grandfather’s death that I find deeply beautiful. I am thankful that my family is keeping him home, that they are finding a way to manage his needs themselves. I am proud that his care has been so wonderful; these last few years of his life have clearly been some of his happiest. This branch of our family has suffered its share of wounds, but these last few years have been a time of tremendous healing. I am proud of him, for all the years he has farmed and remained intellectually vibrant, of the way he has grown past his own imperfections and emotional shortcomings.

I want my girls to be a part of this. I want them to see our family at a time when everyone is working together, supporting each other, offering love and care to each other, and to the one who is preparing to transition into death.

I ask them if they would like to come with me. My girls’ voices don’t waver for a second. “Yes.” I explain that he is dying, that he will probably sleep during most of our visit, that if he wakes up, he may not recognize them.

Radical Homemakers Book Link

Radical Homemakers: Reclaiming Domesticity from a Consumer Culture

By Shannon Hayes
Left to Write Press, 2010, 300 pages, $23.95.
Support YES! when you buy here from an independent bookstore.

Saoirse wants to know why. My answer surprises even me. “His soul is transitioning out of his body,” I tell her. “It is practicing leaving. So sometimes it is in his body, and sometimes it is away from it. But it is in the room. So even if you think he doesn’t know you are there, his soul knows. That’s why it is important for us to be there.”

And so we went. We filled his kitchen with as much love as we could. Ula played with toys at his feet, Saoirse clipped a strand of yarn from my knitting basket and played with his cats. Dad and I sat together on the couch and talked about our normal, mundane things—about Bob’s honeybees, about conversion ratios in livestock. Uncle Tommy came back from grocery shopping and we chatted about the best way to acidify the soil for blueberry bushes. Great Pop Pop slept and stirred. When he became uncomfortable, Uncle Tommy and Dad worked together to try to help him. When he was awake, his conversation wasn’t coherent, and while he looked at me with recognition, I don’t think he knew my name. He looked for telephones in drawers, asked to go to rooms that didn’t exist.

Uncle Tommy helped him into his wheelchair, and brought him over by the kitchen window. When his back was turned, Ula frantically waved her arms to get my attention. “Mommy! I have to whisper you a secret!”

I knelt down in front of her and lent her my ear. “Please don’t tell Great Pop Pop this, but I don’t like watching him die.” I hugged her. I wondered if I was wrong to bring her along, if, in my efforts to be honest with them about death, if I had caused her to fear it. Not knowing what else to say, I whispered back, “It’s okay to feel that way. You’re allowed.”

Every visit, we will say goodbye to a little more of him, so that when his time finally comes, Saoirse and Ula will know that the loss is theirs.

We left a short while later, and Ula began to cry as soon as we got into the car. She cried because my dad didn’t have time to join us for lunch. She cried because her Silly Putty was lost under the carseat. She cried because. I just let her.

I don’t know if I did the right thing, bringing my girls to visit Great Pop Pop at this time of transition. But we will probably go again very soon. And then again. Every visit, we will say goodbye to a little more of him, so that when his time finally comes, his soul will know how deeply we love him, and Saoirse and Ula will know that the loss is theirs, as well as everyone else’s. 


Shannon HayesShannon Hayes wrote this article for YES! Magazine, a national, nonprofit media organization that fuses powerful ideas with practical actions. Shannon is the author of Radical Homemakers: Reclaiming Domesticity from a Consumer Culture, The Grassfed Gourmet and The Farmer and the Grill. She is the host of Grassfedcooking.com and RadicalHomemakers.com. Hayes works with her family on Sap Bush Hollow Farm in Upstate New York.

Interested?

  • Click here to read more of Shannon's blogs about life as a radical homemaker.
  • My Kids Eat Snails
    Radical homemaker Shannon Hayes: When standardized curricula fall short, food can teach the values I want my kids to learn.
  • Grief's Hidden Gift
    What I learned about happiness during my mom's last days with cancer.
YES! Magazine encourages you to make free use of this article by taking these easy steps. Hayes, S. (2011, March 28). Saying Goodbye: What Do We Teach Kids about Death?. Retrieved May 16, 2012, from YES! Magazine Web site: http://cms.yesmagazine.org/blogs/shannon-hayes/saying-goodbye. This work is licensed under a Creative Commons License Creative Commons License


You won’t see any commercial ads in YES!, in print or on this website.
That means, we rely on support from our readers.

||   SUBSCRIBE    ||   GIVE A GIFT   ||   DONATE   ||
Independent. Nonprofit. Subscriber-supported.




Reader Comments

Saying Goodbye

Posted by dorothy collins at Mar 31, 2011 11:26 AM
This is a beautiful article. Shannon, don't ever doubt that you did the right thing. Growing up death was always hidden in my family. I didn't attend the funerals of my grandparents. Our pets just mysteriously disappeared when we were kids. I never went to a funeral until I was an adult. At age 55 the death of my beloved dog was the first I ever experienced as more than a concept. I know my parents sheltered us with the best of intentions, but I feel like I never truly grieved for anyone because death was so secretive in my family.

Saying Goodbye

Posted by sharmila at Apr 01, 2011 11:28 AM
A very important issue has been dealt with. At this age we need to talk about death a lot more than we did when we were growing up.

A few years ago, I wrote a story about a child whose mum walks out. After it was published some of my friends said What is wrong with you? Why did you write such a story for children. At another instance , I wrote about a elephant's coping with death of his mum. It never got published. I have read both these stories during my writing workshops and discussed the issue with children. And they have had no problem with them. But we adults have drawn out a chart as to what to tell children and what not to.

Children and death

Posted by Eleanor Hall at Mar 31, 2011 02:16 PM
Yes, Shannon, I think you did the right thing to take your children. They should not be shut out of the process of saying goodbye to someone who they really love.

See this on whether children should attend funerals, on the FAQ page of the Barr-Harris Children's Grief Center:
http://www.barrharris.org/faqs.html

Beautiful article

Posted by Henny at Mar 31, 2011 02:16 PM
I hope we have the opportunity to have our children be a part of this 'transition time' as you have in your family. Death is a part of life, and you are giving your children a great gift to understand this and to show your Grandpa that you are all there at this time and saying goodbye in such a loving way.
The words you used to explain what is happening to your children are so well-put, I may borrow those myself some day...
My family are also uncomfortable with death and were unsure how to expose us as children, but I also grew up on a small farm, where animal deaths were just a fact of life. I think covering things up and making them secret or mysterious is sometimes far more frightening to children than the reality.

Showing kids that death is a part of life

Posted by Usha Raman at Apr 01, 2011 11:28 AM
This was a lovely piece that articulated many of the things I have tried to do with my own kids. The first time I had a discussion of death with my children was when they were around 4 and 6, when a child they had played with died in her sleep. Soon after that, in a conversation, my 6 year old asked about death, and I asked her why she was worried, because "only older people need to worry about these things". She immediately responded saying that the little girl who had died was "not old". So we got talking about it. Soon after, both girls were fortunate to be by their grandfather, and later a great aunt, at the moment each of these dear ones drew their last breath. Now, they are both young adults, and are able to talk about and face death without a sense of horror or fear, or even revulsion.

Dealing with death realistically

Posted by Marilyn LaCourt at Apr 04, 2011 12:42 PM
Message to grandchildren about dealing with death.

"Im glad I'm not young anymore".

Now I lay me down to sleep
I hope to die before I wake
Cause, I already ate my cake
No pie in the sky
From which to partake

I’ve had my fill. I feel no hunger
No desire to be much younger.
Been there, done that, and now I wish...
No longer to exist.

Make a difference? Thought I could
I used to think perhaps I would....

Wiser folks than me
Left an awesome legacy
But no one ever lives forever
Even if they once were clever
Dementia knows no boundaries
Staying too long is just plain wrong

I can’t do busy. It makes me dizzy
And now I’m boring even me.

Bodies give out like well-worn shoes
Minds go to mush like left over stews
Loved ones are tasked with the care
Of empty shells with no one there

To linger too long would be a mistake
One I hope never to make

Conscience guides me
Don’t get greedy
Best to leave before I’m needy
I’ve had a long run. It’s been good
I want to go now. It’s time... I should

Don’t feel bad it’s okay
Nothing to do, no reason to stay
I’ve loved you all along the way

You loved me too
You fed me cake
I tasted your frosting sweet and true

I’m not greedy, had my fill
Had my cake and ate it too
When death comes to make its call
As it will for us all
I can say life tasted good
I ate it all. I’ve had my fill

By Marilyn LaCourt

Great poem!

Posted by Shannon at Apr 04, 2011 03:36 PM
You sound just like my grandfather! I remember sitting in the hospital emergency room once with him, because he was having a stroke. And the MD walked in to examine him, then pointed to a patch of discolored skin on his face. "What's this?," The MD said. "How long has it been since you've had this looked at? This could kill you!"
"All you doctors are alike," he responded. "You keep making promises."

your support and another poem

Posted by marilyn LaCourt at Jul 16, 2011 07:06 PM
I ama poem

by Marilyn LaCourt

What am I?
No!
Who?
I’m not a what?
But who?

A what is something that stays so stable,
To change itself, it isn’t able.

My who cannot be just uncovered
As though it always was
A steadfast thing to be discovered
Established in a distant past

A what?  A thing?
I reject this static notion
An insult to my self-promotion

My ancestors go way back when
To a time I can’t imagine
They survived
Therefore
I am
But who I am belongs to me
I claim that dignity

As I journey as a guest
I move through times and spaces
With other's faces, travel mates
Watching, listening, speaking, sensing
Taking in and putting out
Adapting
Changing
Making sense
I change my who
Oh yes, I do
And if you’re honest so do you

We dance to music's different beats
To egoism and altruism,
Our selves in oppositions
To each other's propositions



Some claim answers known for sure
That’s how the they define us
But others claim that their’s are pure
And they require we concur

The questions they debate?
What is our purpose?
Why did we surface?
Us ants upon the earth

Those among us who are sure
They’ve got it right and others don’t
They dance to sounds of cultures clashing
Gnashing
Bashing
Killing those who disagree

Together we could sort it out
Evolution ought to be our shout
The survival of our species...
That’s what it’s all about

And sing,
We ought
In harmony
Reciprocate
Communicate
Adjudicate and Legislate
We change the who,
Of me and you
The ‘us’ we are becoming

How do I know what who I am
I’m changing all the time
How do you grasp the self, called you?
I know you’re changing too

Cause, you’ll tell me
And I’ll tell you
If only we will listen

We could dance in step to reason’s beat
And our co-evolution

take them along ...

Posted by Charlotte at Apr 04, 2011 11:05 PM
What a lovely piece. Of course you should take them when you visit. That doesn't mean they won't be sad, and that it won't be scary, but it does mean that when it's their turn to be the ones making someone comfortable, or just sit by their side, they'll have old deep memories of how that works in a family. And they'll know that it's okay to cry when someone you love is failing, and that you turn to your family for support and you all go through it together, even when it's hard.

People Who Love YES! Find Out Why... Subscribe Today

Personal tools